Link to Springdale Remaleys
I have been asked by several people to republish the email to the Remaley mailing list of 28 Oct 2001 in which I summarized the link of the immigrant Ambrose to the Springdale Remaleys.
Here it is in its entirity.
Over the past several months there has been very intensive work by several researchers interested in documenting the ancestry of George Remaley (d 21 Feb 1841) of Springdale, PA. This email gives a summary of the results obtained on this joint project by Nancy Sterling, Ron McCausland, and Jim Ramaley. We are also indebted to many other researchers -- essentially the whole Remaley mailing list! -- who have participated in this research.
GEORGE REMALEY
George married Anna Catherine Richards, daughter of Samuel & Juliet Richards (generally known as Juliana or Julia), in about 1795 and had several children. George & Catherine's children are listed here with birthdates generally from Paul Ruff's work (German Church Records, vol 2) and these sometimes are slightly different from other researcher's records:
Anna Catherine (3 Aug 1797 - Aug 1881)
John (23 Dec 1799 - bef 1849)
Magdalene "Mattie" (b 28 Jan 1802 - bef 31 Dec 1840)
Jacob (10 May 1804 - 10 Jan 1891)
Elizabeth (3 Nov 1806 - 1888)
John Peter (b 24 Nov 1808)
George, (1810 - 7 Oct 1863)
Anna Mary (28 Apr 1811 - 27 Mar 1902)
Julia Ann (17 Aug 1813 - 3 Sep 1903)
Sarah Ann (1816 - 29 Mar 1863)
Michael (4 Dec 1818 - 22 Mar 1876)
Susanna (12 May 1821 - 10 Aug 1879)
There are over 1200 descendants of George that have been compiled by Elizabeth "Isabel" Remaley Taylor and distributed by Isabel's cousin, Betsy Eunson Cooper.
Isabel did a lot of genealogical work on this family in the 1960s and 70s. Isabel is 93 and lives near Monroeville, PA but she does not follow genealogy as she did in earlier years. George is a 3rd great grandfather to Isabel.
Based upon information available to her at the time, Isabel conjectured that George's parent's names were George and Christina. Moreover, Isabel believed that this earlier George had been born in Alsace-Lorraine and had immigrated September 17, 1753 on the H.M.S. Richard and Mary with his father, Hans Jurg Ramly.
We have tried in vain to verify this linkage. While there is a record of Hans Jurg in 1753, we have been unable to locate any documention that this person is the grandfather of George (d 1841).
On the other hand, we have been able to uncover substantial documentation suggesting that George is a son of John Remaley (23 Aug 1733 - Oct 1813). This John is a son of Ambrose Remali who immigated 9 Oct 1749 from Weisenheim-am-Sand (near Heidelberg, Germany) through the port of Philadelphia. Interestingly enough, this conjecture was also made as early as 1975 by a researcher named Kay Houser in letters to Isabel and to my uncle, David Ramaley. [Note: I have been unsuccessful in locating either Kay or her genealogical records. I would appreciate an email from anyone knowing of her.]
AMBROSE REMELI
Ambrose, living in Weisenheim-am-Sand, Germany, is first documented in microfilmed records of the Family History Library, Salt Lake City, Utah [microfilm records from the "Vereingte Protestantische Evang.-Chrsitl. Kirche der Plflz" (the United Protestant Evangelical Christian Church of the Pfalz. city: Weisenheim am Sand; Province: Rheinland-Pfalz. LDS church film 0193223; viewed 19 Nov 1998)]. He had several of his children baptized in this church and, in fact, his father (Nicholas) is also mentioned in one of the records.
In October of 1749 Ambrose came to America with his family on the ship Lydia and sometime latter settled in the Lehigh Valley area north of Philadelphia in eastern Pennsylvania. [This is the area north of Allentown and which became part of Lehigh County when it was formed in 1812 from Northampton County.] In 1751 we begin to see Ambrose and his sons Michael, George, and John, in various records such as census, tax records, and land sales.
JOHN REMELY and neighbors.
Quoting from Nancy Sterling:
"John Remaley, son of Ambrose, was the first known Remaley who moved from Northampton to Franklin Township, Westmoreland Co. He got his land from a man named Henry Lewis.
"Northampton County records that show this John Remaley was "poor" on the last tax list where he was listed in Northampton. Henry Lewis got 271 acres of land in Franklin Twp on August 19, 1788. He patented the land 15 Sep 1789 .... around the same time that John Remaley moved to Westmoreland. John Remaley got 106 acres of Henry Lewis's land for 40 pounds [Deed Book vol D, p 428] on 17 Jul 1790. Pretty good deal for a poor man.
"One theory I have is that John Remaley was the son-in-law of Henry Lewis. That might explain why he went west before the rest of the Remaley family did, and also how he was able to get a nice chunk of land without having money."
Living near John was the Richard family. Again, quoting from Nancy:
"Samuel Richard moved from Northampton Co to Franklin Township, Westmoreland Co ca 1784+. I have a copy of a map prepared by the Westmoreland Co. Map Department. This map is subdivided into 353 small sections maps. Samuel lived in section map #44 and John Remaley lived in section map #51. Sections #44 and #51 abut each other. They were neighbors.
ARGUMENTS FAVORING THE POSITION THAT GEORGE IS THE SON OF JOHN.
1. Comparing the names of John's children with the sibblings of George.
Isabel reports that George (d 1841) of Springdale has the following siblings: Matthew (could be Michael), Christian, Maria Christina, Julia, Margaretta, Henry, and Elizabeth. From the will of John (1733-1813), he had the following children: Michael, Henry, John Jr, Christian (also Christopher), George, Barbara, Christine, Mary Margaret. Possible correspondences:
children of John (1733-1813) ..........sibblings of George (d 1841) per Isabel
Michael .........................................Matthew (could be Michael) (b abt 1764)
Henry............................................. Henry
John Jr. ..........................................John (b 1766)
Christian ........................................Christian (b 1777)
George ............................................George (d1841) [the George in question]
Barbara ...........................................?
Christine Maria ................................Christina (b 1778) [m a Mr. Birch]
Mary Margaret ................................Margarette (b1781)
? .......................................................Julia
? .......................................................Elizabeth (b 1789)
While there are some names that are not obvious correspondences, the number of matches is remarkable. Especially noteworthy are the names Christian and Christine. At the time, these names were relatively rare.
2. The First male child of George (d 1841) is a John (b 1799).
Although not always followed, the customary naming conventions among these families of German extraction strongly called for the first male son to be named for his paternal grandfather. This would, in fact, argue against the assumption made by Isabel Remaley Taylor, who believed George's (d 1841) father was also a George. While not strong evidence, this suggests a place to start.
3. George (d 1841) married the "girl next door."
Nancy Sterling believed that she should try to follow the family of George's wife: Ann Catherine Richard. She did an excellent job. Not only did Catherine come from Northampton County, but her family lived next to John Remaley (who, of course, had also come from Northampton County.) See discussion under John above.
4. The "Elizabeth Ramaley Papers".
On Wednesday, 17 Oct 2001, I received a letter from Mary Louise Wilson, a grand-daughter of Elizabeth Foster Ramaley (1871-1919; m Stephen Porter, Congressman from Pittsburgh from 1911 until 1930), asking if I was a possible relative. Mary Wilson (nicknamed "Peter") lives in White Plains (just 25 minutes away from me) and had a trunkful of papers from her grandparents that she suggested might be of interest.
I had the opportunity to review the papers on Monday, 22 Oct.
Most of the papers related to the career of Congressman Porter. He had been a very powerful congressman by virtue of his position as the chairman of the House Foreign Relations Committee and he was covered closely by the press.
But there were several interesting papers regarding Elizabeth because she apparently was preparing to join the DAR. Although no application seems to have been submitted Elizabeth wrote to several of her cousins seeking information about her ancestors. While she concentrated on linking to her great-grandfather Lewis Cups (variously given as Cupps, Kopps; also first name given as Ludwig in other places), she received the following letter from one of her Remaley cousins. The letter is written in a very steady, even bold, hand and appears on two sides on a sheet of paper. Because there is no closing, I surmise that there is a second page and I will search for that page as soon as possible.
I have preserved the original spelling, capitalization, and grammer.
-----front page -----Feb 9th 1916
Dear Cousin -- Have tried to get the records as well as I could. Aunt Mollie does not seem to know much about the records. Got the most of them from the old bible which she has. Was down to the Cemetary and on the Geo. Remaley headstone that is the great-grandfather of you and I are these records. George Remaley died Feby 21st 1841 aged about 69 years. The records are very meager, that is the actual records. Great Grandfather was born probably in the year 1772. Came to Springdale, or to what is now known as such, from Greensburg. have often been told he having been engaged as a wagonman hauling merchandise from Phila. to Pgh. The Father of this Geo. Remaley must have ended his days
--overleaf--
somewhere near Murraysville. Have talked to some of the older men who are decendants of the brother of this Geo. Remaley while at a reunion at the Noah Remaley farm at Sardis in Westmoreland Co. There is a daughter of this Noah Remaley living on the old place near the old log house. Mrs. Ella Patty is her name. One of the older men, a Jacob Remaley, told me of having stayed with his grandmother in the old log house several times while her husband was over on the Springdale side of the river visiting fisherman George as our great grandfather was known to them. This man told me that the father of my great grandfather was buried in a field up on the hillside near this house. There is a story told of an uncle of our grandfather who was a Scout and patrolled the Allegheny valley to keep watch on the Indians and report there movements to the settlers in his day and generation. Have never found any records of this. "only a story." but it might help to find if he was ever a continental soldier.
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The "Noah Remaley" mentioned is Noah (25 Feb 1838 - 1906). He is a 2nd great grandson of Ambrose (through Ambrose's son Michael) Noah did have a daughter Luella, married to a James J. Patty, living in 1916.
"Aunt Mollie" may be Mary Remaley (1844-1920; m Benjamin Duncan).
This letter gives so strong a positive link between the Westmoreland Remaleys and the Springdale Remaleys that I believe it closes the issue.
[ADDED 13 May 2002: Peter Wilson and I reviewed the following letter. It was written on 16 Feb 1916 (after the letter above) and appears to have been an "apology" for not getting the previous letter out on time. I can also identify the author of the letter as George Roy Remaley, a first cousin to Elizabeth Remaley Porter.
Dear Cousin -- I suppose you will be wondering why you have not heard from me before this time. Have been very busy of late and have had to hunt up as best as I could the records you are wanting. There don't seem to be very much to them. Aunt Mollie does not remember much about the older ones. Have heard from several that Aunt Kate Shoop would be the most likely person to get information from, but she is out near Denver at present. Am sending you this now and will try and get more information in the near future and send it to you. As near as I can find out, our great grandfather's wifes name was Gardener. There are some relatives by the name of Richards, but could not get much definite. Will send you everything that I can get in a few days. Yours, G. Roy
END ADDITION]
THE ALSACE-LORRAINE QUESTION
There are several references to Alsace-Lorraine in the work of Isabel. There was also an article written by Ray Hollenbach (a historian in the Lehigh County area who taught at the "Remaley" school and who studied the several pioneer families of the area) in which it is asserted that the Remaley family came from this area of France/Germany.
Alsace-Lorraine is the now (2001) French Departments of Bas-Rhin & Haut Rhin. Bounded by the Rhein on the East and the Vasges Mountains on the West. The capital of Bas-Rhin is Strasbourg. Strasbourg is about 60 miles SW of Mannheim, Germany.
The area has had a unsettled past because of wars and government persecution. The 1598 Edict of Nantes in France (which gave Huguenots political and, in some cases, religious rights in some places) was revoked in 1685 and half a million Hugenots left France for the Palatinate & Holland.
Weisenheim (or Weisenheim am Sand) is a Village (pop 4212) in the Rhenish Palatinate, West Germany, 8 mi WSW of Frankenthal: Fruit export (apricots, peaches, strawberries). 49deg 31min North lat ; 8deg 10min E long -- Columbia Lippencott Gazetteer of the World - 1998 edition. Note: Frankenthal is near Mannheim (which is on the Rhein) and about 15 miles from Heidelberg.
Hence, Weisenheim is on the edge of the Alsace-Lorraine area. It is known that Ambrose wrote in German, not French, and that he settled in a predominately German area of Northampton Co in a part that was later to be Lehigh Co. His children also wrote and undoubtedly spoke German. There are baptismal certificates in the family written as late as the 1850s in German.
It is also known that Ambrose's son Michael married a person (Anna Maria Vautrin) who was born in Fenetrange, Alsase, Moselle, France and was definitely from Alsace-Lorraine.
So the question as to whether the family came from Alsace-Lorrain area can be answered "Yes" But whether or not the ancestors of Ambrose were French and perhaps among the refugees created after the revocation of the Edict of Nantes cannot be answered at this time.
Here it is in its entirity.
Over the past several months there has been very intensive work by several researchers interested in documenting the ancestry of George Remaley (d 21 Feb 1841) of Springdale, PA. This email gives a summary of the results obtained on this joint project by Nancy Sterling, Ron McCausland, and Jim Ramaley. We are also indebted to many other researchers -- essentially the whole Remaley mailing list! -- who have participated in this research.
GEORGE REMALEY
George married Anna Catherine Richards, daughter of Samuel & Juliet Richards (generally known as Juliana or Julia), in about 1795 and had several children. George & Catherine's children are listed here with birthdates generally from Paul Ruff's work (German Church Records, vol 2) and these sometimes are slightly different from other researcher's records:
Anna Catherine (3 Aug 1797 - Aug 1881)
John (23 Dec 1799 - bef 1849)
Magdalene "Mattie" (b 28 Jan 1802 - bef 31 Dec 1840)
Jacob (10 May 1804 - 10 Jan 1891)
Elizabeth (3 Nov 1806 - 1888)
John Peter (b 24 Nov 1808)
George, (1810 - 7 Oct 1863)
Anna Mary (28 Apr 1811 - 27 Mar 1902)
Julia Ann (17 Aug 1813 - 3 Sep 1903)
Sarah Ann (1816 - 29 Mar 1863)
Michael (4 Dec 1818 - 22 Mar 1876)
Susanna (12 May 1821 - 10 Aug 1879)
There are over 1200 descendants of George that have been compiled by Elizabeth "Isabel" Remaley Taylor and distributed by Isabel's cousin, Betsy Eunson Cooper.
Isabel did a lot of genealogical work on this family in the 1960s and 70s. Isabel is 93 and lives near Monroeville, PA but she does not follow genealogy as she did in earlier years. George is a 3rd great grandfather to Isabel.
Based upon information available to her at the time, Isabel conjectured that George's parent's names were George and Christina. Moreover, Isabel believed that this earlier George had been born in Alsace-Lorraine and had immigrated September 17, 1753 on the H.M.S. Richard and Mary with his father, Hans Jurg Ramly.
We have tried in vain to verify this linkage. While there is a record of Hans Jurg in 1753, we have been unable to locate any documention that this person is the grandfather of George (d 1841).
On the other hand, we have been able to uncover substantial documentation suggesting that George is a son of John Remaley (23 Aug 1733 - Oct 1813). This John is a son of Ambrose Remali who immigated 9 Oct 1749 from Weisenheim-am-Sand (near Heidelberg, Germany) through the port of Philadelphia. Interestingly enough, this conjecture was also made as early as 1975 by a researcher named Kay Houser in letters to Isabel and to my uncle, David Ramaley. [Note: I have been unsuccessful in locating either Kay or her genealogical records. I would appreciate an email from anyone knowing of her.]
AMBROSE REMELI
Ambrose, living in Weisenheim-am-Sand, Germany, is first documented in microfilmed records of the Family History Library, Salt Lake City, Utah [microfilm records from the "Vereingte Protestantische Evang.-Chrsitl. Kirche der Plflz" (the United Protestant Evangelical Christian Church of the Pfalz. city: Weisenheim am Sand; Province: Rheinland-Pfalz. LDS church film 0193223; viewed 19 Nov 1998)]. He had several of his children baptized in this church and, in fact, his father (Nicholas) is also mentioned in one of the records.
In October of 1749 Ambrose came to America with his family on the ship Lydia and sometime latter settled in the Lehigh Valley area north of Philadelphia in eastern Pennsylvania. [This is the area north of Allentown and which became part of Lehigh County when it was formed in 1812 from Northampton County.] In 1751 we begin to see Ambrose and his sons Michael, George, and John, in various records such as census, tax records, and land sales.
JOHN REMELY and neighbors.
Quoting from Nancy Sterling:
"John Remaley, son of Ambrose, was the first known Remaley who moved from Northampton to Franklin Township, Westmoreland Co. He got his land from a man named Henry Lewis.
"Northampton County records that show this John Remaley was "poor" on the last tax list where he was listed in Northampton. Henry Lewis got 271 acres of land in Franklin Twp on August 19, 1788. He patented the land 15 Sep 1789 .... around the same time that John Remaley moved to Westmoreland. John Remaley got 106 acres of Henry Lewis's land for 40 pounds [Deed Book vol D, p 428] on 17 Jul 1790. Pretty good deal for a poor man.
"One theory I have is that John Remaley was the son-in-law of Henry Lewis. That might explain why he went west before the rest of the Remaley family did, and also how he was able to get a nice chunk of land without having money."
Living near John was the Richard family. Again, quoting from Nancy:
"Samuel Richard moved from Northampton Co to Franklin Township, Westmoreland Co ca 1784+. I have a copy of a map prepared by the Westmoreland Co. Map Department. This map is subdivided into 353 small sections maps. Samuel lived in section map #44 and John Remaley lived in section map #51. Sections #44 and #51 abut each other. They were neighbors.
ARGUMENTS FAVORING THE POSITION THAT GEORGE IS THE SON OF JOHN.
1. Comparing the names of John's children with the sibblings of George.
Isabel reports that George (d 1841) of Springdale has the following siblings: Matthew (could be Michael), Christian, Maria Christina, Julia, Margaretta, Henry, and Elizabeth. From the will of John (1733-1813), he had the following children: Michael, Henry, John Jr, Christian (also Christopher), George, Barbara, Christine, Mary Margaret. Possible correspondences:
children of John (1733-1813) ..........sibblings of George (d 1841) per Isabel
Michael .........................................Matthew (could be Michael) (b abt 1764)
Henry............................................. Henry
John Jr. ..........................................John (b 1766)
Christian ........................................Christian (b 1777)
George ............................................George (d1841) [the George in question]
Barbara ...........................................?
Christine Maria ................................Christina (b 1778) [m a Mr. Birch]
Mary Margaret ................................Margarette (b1781)
? .......................................................Julia
? .......................................................Elizabeth (b 1789)
While there are some names that are not obvious correspondences, the number of matches is remarkable. Especially noteworthy are the names Christian and Christine. At the time, these names were relatively rare.
2. The First male child of George (d 1841) is a John (b 1799).
Although not always followed, the customary naming conventions among these families of German extraction strongly called for the first male son to be named for his paternal grandfather. This would, in fact, argue against the assumption made by Isabel Remaley Taylor, who believed George's (d 1841) father was also a George. While not strong evidence, this suggests a place to start.
3. George (d 1841) married the "girl next door."
Nancy Sterling believed that she should try to follow the family of George's wife: Ann Catherine Richard. She did an excellent job. Not only did Catherine come from Northampton County, but her family lived next to John Remaley (who, of course, had also come from Northampton County.) See discussion under John above.
4. The "Elizabeth Ramaley Papers".
On Wednesday, 17 Oct 2001, I received a letter from Mary Louise Wilson, a grand-daughter of Elizabeth Foster Ramaley (1871-1919; m Stephen Porter, Congressman from Pittsburgh from 1911 until 1930), asking if I was a possible relative. Mary Wilson (nicknamed "Peter") lives in White Plains (just 25 minutes away from me) and had a trunkful of papers from her grandparents that she suggested might be of interest.
I had the opportunity to review the papers on Monday, 22 Oct.
Most of the papers related to the career of Congressman Porter. He had been a very powerful congressman by virtue of his position as the chairman of the House Foreign Relations Committee and he was covered closely by the press.
But there were several interesting papers regarding Elizabeth because she apparently was preparing to join the DAR. Although no application seems to have been submitted Elizabeth wrote to several of her cousins seeking information about her ancestors. While she concentrated on linking to her great-grandfather Lewis Cups (variously given as Cupps, Kopps; also first name given as Ludwig in other places), she received the following letter from one of her Remaley cousins. The letter is written in a very steady, even bold, hand and appears on two sides on a sheet of paper. Because there is no closing, I surmise that there is a second page and I will search for that page as soon as possible.
I have preserved the original spelling, capitalization, and grammer.
-----front page -----Feb 9th 1916
Dear Cousin -- Have tried to get the records as well as I could. Aunt Mollie does not seem to know much about the records. Got the most of them from the old bible which she has. Was down to the Cemetary and on the Geo. Remaley headstone that is the great-grandfather of you and I are these records. George Remaley died Feby 21st 1841 aged about 69 years. The records are very meager, that is the actual records. Great Grandfather was born probably in the year 1772. Came to Springdale, or to what is now known as such, from Greensburg. have often been told he having been engaged as a wagonman hauling merchandise from Phila. to Pgh. The Father of this Geo. Remaley must have ended his days
--overleaf--
somewhere near Murraysville. Have talked to some of the older men who are decendants of the brother of this Geo. Remaley while at a reunion at the Noah Remaley farm at Sardis in Westmoreland Co. There is a daughter of this Noah Remaley living on the old place near the old log house. Mrs. Ella Patty is her name. One of the older men, a Jacob Remaley, told me of having stayed with his grandmother in the old log house several times while her husband was over on the Springdale side of the river visiting fisherman George as our great grandfather was known to them. This man told me that the father of my great grandfather was buried in a field up on the hillside near this house. There is a story told of an uncle of our grandfather who was a Scout and patrolled the Allegheny valley to keep watch on the Indians and report there movements to the settlers in his day and generation. Have never found any records of this. "only a story." but it might help to find if he was ever a continental soldier.
-----------------end
The "Noah Remaley" mentioned is Noah (25 Feb 1838 - 1906). He is a 2nd great grandson of Ambrose (through Ambrose's son Michael) Noah did have a daughter Luella, married to a James J. Patty, living in 1916.
"Aunt Mollie" may be Mary Remaley (1844-1920; m Benjamin Duncan).
This letter gives so strong a positive link between the Westmoreland Remaleys and the Springdale Remaleys that I believe it closes the issue.
[ADDED 13 May 2002: Peter Wilson and I reviewed the following letter. It was written on 16 Feb 1916 (after the letter above) and appears to have been an "apology" for not getting the previous letter out on time. I can also identify the author of the letter as George Roy Remaley, a first cousin to Elizabeth Remaley Porter.
Dear Cousin -- I suppose you will be wondering why you have not heard from me before this time. Have been very busy of late and have had to hunt up as best as I could the records you are wanting. There don't seem to be very much to them. Aunt Mollie does not remember much about the older ones. Have heard from several that Aunt Kate Shoop would be the most likely person to get information from, but she is out near Denver at present. Am sending you this now and will try and get more information in the near future and send it to you. As near as I can find out, our great grandfather's wifes name was Gardener. There are some relatives by the name of Richards, but could not get much definite. Will send you everything that I can get in a few days. Yours, G. Roy
END ADDITION]
THE ALSACE-LORRAINE QUESTION
There are several references to Alsace-Lorraine in the work of Isabel. There was also an article written by Ray Hollenbach (a historian in the Lehigh County area who taught at the "Remaley" school and who studied the several pioneer families of the area) in which it is asserted that the Remaley family came from this area of France/Germany.
Alsace-Lorraine is the now (2001) French Departments of Bas-Rhin & Haut Rhin. Bounded by the Rhein on the East and the Vasges Mountains on the West. The capital of Bas-Rhin is Strasbourg. Strasbourg is about 60 miles SW of Mannheim, Germany.
The area has had a unsettled past because of wars and government persecution. The 1598 Edict of Nantes in France (which gave Huguenots political and, in some cases, religious rights in some places) was revoked in 1685 and half a million Hugenots left France for the Palatinate & Holland.
Weisenheim (or Weisenheim am Sand) is a Village (pop 4212) in the Rhenish Palatinate, West Germany, 8 mi WSW of Frankenthal: Fruit export (apricots, peaches, strawberries). 49deg 31min North lat ; 8deg 10min E long -- Columbia Lippencott Gazetteer of the World - 1998 edition. Note: Frankenthal is near Mannheim (which is on the Rhein) and about 15 miles from Heidelberg.
Hence, Weisenheim is on the edge of the Alsace-Lorraine area. It is known that Ambrose wrote in German, not French, and that he settled in a predominately German area of Northampton Co in a part that was later to be Lehigh Co. His children also wrote and undoubtedly spoke German. There are baptismal certificates in the family written as late as the 1850s in German.
It is also known that Ambrose's son Michael married a person (Anna Maria Vautrin) who was born in Fenetrange, Alsase, Moselle, France and was definitely from Alsace-Lorraine.
So the question as to whether the family came from Alsace-Lorrain area can be answered "Yes" But whether or not the ancestors of Ambrose were French and perhaps among the refugees created after the revocation of the Edict of Nantes cannot be answered at this time.
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